Kristin Cavallari called her ex-husband Jay Cutler a ‘pathological liar’ and said he brought ‘zero fucking consistency’ to their relationship when they were together – while speaking on the Blonde Dumb Podcast.

The former reality star, 37, shares three children with Jay – sons Camden, 12, and Jaxon, 10, and daughter Saylor, nine – and has been co-parenting with him since their split in April 2020 after seven years of marriage (with their divorce finalized in June 2022).

During her appearance on the podcast, Kristin called their co-parenting relationship “so many ups and downs” and their post-divorce relationship a “bumpy road.”

Kristin even addressed the rumor that he had an affair with his ex-friend Kelly Henderson while they were still married, revealing that it could have happened.

The star also called their romance “toxic,” something she previously said in 2022.

She said that even though Jay – who was arrested in October for an alleged DUI in Tennessee – never apologized to her for some things that happened during their marriage, she can still forgive him and have some forgiveness. empathy towards the former football star.

Kristin Cavallari called her ex-husband Jay Cutler a ‘pathological liar’ and said he brought ‘no consistency’ to their relationship when they were together – while speaking on the Dumb Blonde podcast

The former reality star, 37, shares three children with Jay – sons Camden, 12, and Jaxon, 10, and daughter Saylor, nine – and has been co-parenting with him since their split in April 2020 after seven years of marriage (with their divorce finalized in June 2022); seen on December 5, 2019

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Kristin opened up about Jay’s alleged affair with Kelly – who was also his Very Cavallari co-star – while he was still married to Kristin.

“I really don’t think anything happened,” she said on the podcast.

However, she seemed to backtrack and wonder if something had happened between them.

“I really don’t think anything happened. Fuck, I don’t know how to be honest with you. Am I sure of this? No.’

Adding that he “used to trash her,” meaning talking bad about her, which she said could mean something was going on between the two.

“Jay used to trash her and I kind of think if a guy trashes a girl, there’s probably something going on,” Kristin explained.

Kristin said her problem with Kelly was how she “added fuel to the fire” and seemed to play to her advantage in rumors on her social media.

Kristin opened up about her former marriage during her appearance on the Dumb Blonde podcast, released Monday morning

“I said something to him and it blew up in my face,” Kristin remembers.

“I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said ‘hey listen, this is how your actions made me feel.’ I would say ‘Holy shit, that wasn’t my intention and I’m really sorry, let’s talk about it,” she said, adding that it’s also for romantic relationships, not just friendships.

“When people can’t take responsibility and turn it around and throw it in your face, I can’t do that,” Kristin said.

“I got a lot of experience from it and it’s a huge thing for me. Moving forward with all my friendships and relationships is about responsibility,” adding that the responsibility is so “huge and it’s really hard for a lot of people.”

“I’m at a point in my life where I can’t do anything about this, right? That’s how I feel and if you can’t acknowledge that, well, I can’t move on. So that’s basically what happened” (between her and Kelly).

She even remembers seeing her at the airport, but she said she ran away before she could talk to her.

Kristin said she just wanted to give her former friend a hug because she had no hard feelings.

The mother of three said divorce was something she never wanted as she came from divorced parents.

Kristin said it was “the last thing I ever wanted” when talking about divorce.

During her appearance on the podcast, Kristin called their co-parenting relationship “so many ups and downs” and their post-divorce relationship a “bumpy road.”

“It still happens from time to time…it’s just a shame we’re not together as a family.”

Although she doesn’t “regret anything”, she described their relationship as “toxic”.

“When you’re dealing with a pathological liar, it’s hard to know what the damn truth is,” the businesswoman said.

Adding: “People who lie to you or cheat on you, it’s because they’re hurt. It’s about them. It has nothing to do with me,” she noted.

She acknowledged that there were good things in their marriage, she revealed that she was like her “narcissistic” father, and she repeated the pattern from her childhood.

“There are things about my marriage that I will never know and I’ve kind of had to let it go. I’m over it now, which is probably why I can talk about it so freely now,” Kristin said.

When Dumb Blonde podcast host Bunnie . I never did it. And I never will. But you have to do it for you. You have to forgive them because at the end of the day, people who lie to you or cheat on you or whatever the situation is, it’s because they are hurt. It’s about them. It has nothing to do with me.

“And so when you can get to that place and almost feel empathy for these people and realize how much they’re struggling, it’s not about me. So I forgive Kelly, I forgive Jay for everything what he did… to anyone in my life, even my father – I have empathy for my father because I understand why he is the way he is. empathy and forgiving these people without having them in my life. These two things. can coexist.

The former couple sat together at their son’s basketball game this year, which she still can’t believe.

“We sat together at a basketball game earlier this year and I was like, ‘Damn, this is the best thing that ever happened. Jesus Christ, we did it,” she said.

Kristin pictured with her three children Camden, Jaxon and Saylor

“We can sit next to each other. And we haven’t sat down together since, so I don’t fucking know. What the fuck.’

In October, Jay was arrested in Tennessee after being arrested for driving under the influence and having two guns in his car, including a loaded pistol, according to a police report obtained by DailyMail.com.

Cutler was released from the Williamson County Jail later that day after posting $5,000 bond.

Days after her arrest, Kristin broke her silence about her ex-husband, issuing a statement before her episode of the Let’s Be Honest podcast.

“I wanted to come on here and let you know that this episode was recorded right before a very public incident that happened last week with my ex-husband, so keep that in mind as you listen,” the fashion designer said . » told his listeners.

She continued: “I will not comment on what happened.”

“Of course, I wish Jay nothing but the best, and I hope he gets the help he needs, but that’s the only thing I’ll say publicly about it,” the mother concluded. three children. subject.

During the podcast, Kristin revealed that after their split, they went on a few dates after their split.

Kristin also opened up about what success is, to which she replied, “I think success is inner peace.”

She said it was a “trauma bond” reaction of trying to make it work with someone from a “toxic” relationship before withdrawing from it and working on herself.

Bunnie also asked him about his old fling, country singer Morgan Wallen.

“On our first date, he was a real gentleman,” adding that he even picked her up for the first date.

“It was also very up and down,” she said with a laugh, noting that it was “a lot.”

She added that they hadn’t spoken in a year but she had nothing but good things to say about him, and said he was “good in bed.”

Kristin also opened up about what success is, to which she replied, “I think success is inner peace.”

“When your whole life hasn’t been peaceful, I appreciate it so much. And I feel lucky to have been able to organize my life exactly the way I want it. My podcast that I do, Uncommon James… everything is on my terms, I’m my own boss, I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority and if I want to take a week off and fuck off, I can and it’s heaven for me so I feel very, very, very lucky,” Kristin added.